WeatherInsights®: The Weather Channel Blog
February 4, 2011
There have been quite a few thundersnow events this winter. An example is the recent thundersnow in Chicago that surprised Jim Cantore. Thundersnow is a snowstorm event in which thunder and lightning occur.
Thunderstorms accompanied by snow are usually of a different character than the "normal" thunderstorm. The latter are usually rather tall, narrow storms containing a rising updraft of warm, moist air that has risen in a layer from near the surface that may go upward to 40,000 feet or more. Temperatures at the surface are usually well above freezing.
Snowstorms, by contrast, are mostly associated with rather extensive layers of flat, relatively shallow cloud. Precipitation in the clouds is usually formed below 20,000 feet, as sketched in the diagram below. Upward and downward motions in ordinary snowstorms are rather gentle. The exception is lake effect snow, where the clouds are created by heating of air moving over relatively warm lakes. Lake effect snowstorms have narrow clouds shaped more like ordinary thunderstorms, and actually sometimes develop thunder and lightning.
Most thundersnow events develop when "ordinary" flat, layered snow clouds develop upward bumps or "turrets", as illustrated below. They rise upward above the rest of the flat snow cloud by about 5,000 feet. These turrets can develop when there is some strong lifting mechanism around the 20,000 foot level, such as an approaching strong mid- and upper-level trough. Winds with the upper trough bring in colder air aloft, and the lifting also cools the layer. Air cools as it rises.
When the air above the initial cloud layer was rather cool and dry, and when the added cooling and lifting is strong, a shallow layer just above the original flat cloud can become unstable. This makes it favorable for elevated convection -- showers or thunderstorms. The rising turret is the result, containing vigorous upward and also some downward motions. There is usually more than one turret that forms in these conditions. There can be bands or a checkerboard pattern of turrets present.
When the unstable layer develops where the temperature is about -10 to -20 Celsius (14 to -4F), conditions are favorable for both snowflakes and small hailstones (called graupel) to form. As these different particles interact, electrical charges can develop. It's a similar process to developing static electricity when you slide your leather shoes across a wool rug. Stick out a pointing finger and watch the spark fly when you touch a metal object or another person! In the cloud case, that spark is lightning. Sometimes it's cloud-to-ground (as depicted below) and often it's quasi-horizontal within the cloud.
That deeper cloud gives a deeper layer in which snow can form, and those stronger upward motions inside the turret can condense snowflakes from the rising moist air at very high rates. So the same process that creates the electrification can also create a burst of heavy snow and sometimes small hail pellets (graupel) resembling sleet.
Lightning is a current of electricity that travels in a burst between objects of different (or dramatically less) charge. One charge center forms inside the turbulent motions of different kinds of precipitation (snowflakes and graupel) in the turrets. The areas of the snow clouds not having turrets will have a different charge (or no charge), and the ground will have a different charge (or no charge). So when the turret builds up enough charge, lightning will develop.
This electrification process is actually thought to be the same as in "ordinary" thunderstorms. The same temperature regime (about -10 to -20C) is key, as is the presence of both snowflakes and graupel. And then lightning travels to areas of drastically different charge. But the "driving mechanism" is different.
Thundersnow develops when it's below freezing at the surface and it isn't near-surface air that rises all the way into the tall thunderstorm top. The instability is in only a shallow layer aloft. In thundersnow, the "action" mainly takes place in a rather shallow layer that is usually near 20,000 feet and only around 5,000 feet thick.
In the case of the Chicago thundersnow, a colleague (Tom Warner) tells me that most of the lightning bolts went upward between the tall buildings and the charge centers inside the cloud turrets. Those tall buildings with the antennae on top are effective ways to bring the near-surface charge closer to the turret charge center. This makes them favored as targets for the developing cloud-to-ground (or ground to cloud) lightning.
Comments on this entry (17)
I love thundersnow. I have only witnessed 4 times in my life. My main question is has ANYONE ever been struck by lightning/injured in a thundersnow event? I asked Jim Cantore on Twitter. He told me it is possible. I am just wondering if there hs been any documented cloud to ground lightning strikes via thundersnow events? Or even just a great pic of cloud to ground lightning in thubdersnow?
Posted by Stan Jasinski | October 30, 2011
Thundersnow can occur when temperatures are either, most commonly below freezing(usually in the 20's or lower 30's; up to about 32 degrees) with a heavy accumulating snowfall), or occasionally above freezing(33 degrees or higher; mid or upper 30's or rarely around 40 degrees) in which a heavy melting wet snow falls, melting on contact as it reaches the ground, only accumulating on grassy surfaces if heavy enough, and the lightning is usually more vivid then.
Posted by Richard E | March 4, 2011
Anna - the storm track went to your east for some of the storms, and then to your north for others. Probably your location was in the area that got clobbered the worst in the winter of 2009-2010.
Posted by greg forbes | February 14, 2011
Temperature was 34 and dropped two degrees in 15 minutes. Not quite as big a surprise that Jim Cantore got in Chicago; but we were inside. 8pm EST air temp at 30.
Posted by ruthannos CHAN | February 14, 2011
Sorry, this isn't about Thundersnow, but living in Northern Indiana I have experienced it several times. This comment is about your piece on "Cryosiesms" or mini earthquakes in the soil. Here in Indiana and throughout the midwest we call them "potholes". They do nasty things to one's vehicle tires and suspension systems.
Posted by Paul Thomas | February 12, 2011
Anna, I checked my weather models and there appears to be a global warming low pressure system hovering above Rockbridge county. As soon as Al Gore gets enough "green" money into his account...or until enough electric cars populate the highways, that systme will plague Rockbridge Co. Sorry.
Posted by The Perfessor | February 11, 2011
we had thundersnow on feb 5th from about 9 pm till close to 11pm it was very very bright lightning and very loud thunder a few times it would be three flashes of lightning and then the same for thunder all in a row the thunder rattles windows and it also had pretty good hail during it also ! i recorded a video but it wouldnt let me load it on the main video blog !
Posted by Nicholas desjardins | February 10, 2011
Three strikes of lightning in altona new york during snowmagedon, happened around 9 at night with temperatures around 30 degrees
Posted by cameron | February 9, 2011
How has Virginia (Rockbridge County) dodged all of this snow this year... It's a blessing and a curse! We would love some snow!
Posted by Anna | February 8, 2011
To capture thunderstorms on video is one thing...but to see Thundersnow is something else. Now 100% of the public you ask know what Thunder during a snow storm is after they watch the Video of Jim. I wonder what it would have been before that? Chances are about 15%.
Posted by Joshua | February 6, 2011
Rome NY 6:20pm EST we experiences six lightning flashes followed by thunder. Temperature was 34 and dropped two degrees in 15 minutes. Not quite as big a surprise that Jim Cantore got in Chicago; but we were inside. 8pm EST air temp at 30.
Posted by ninagirl13 | February 5, 2011
OMG! We had Thunder Snow in Renovo (PA) We (my husband & I) were actually up on Summerson Mountain, North Bend, PA - and we heard the thunder and saw maybe two flashes of lighting. Not sure if the lighting went up or came down, we just took cover! It was around 2:00pm. There was also more hail than snow falling at the time.
Posted by Karen Guizar | February 5, 2011
Thundersnow in Rome, NY today -Feb. 5th from 6pm to 7pm!!
Posted by Brian Monahan | February 5, 2011
I am so tired of the weather channel. First off, two days ago it called for PM showers... No we did have AM flurries, no showers. Then yesterday it called for NO snow, and we had PM flurries. Now today we are calling for snow flurries then showers in the afternoon... We shall see....
Posted by Jazmjuhn | February 5, 2011
This happened in the early 80's in Searcy County, Arkansas. I can't remember the exact year, but I remember what a spectacular sight it was with lightning in the snowstorm. I remember, too, that it was on the warm side, something like 38 degrees on the thermometer outside. Seemed too warm for it too be snowing.
Posted by Jane | February 4, 2011
The thundersnow event in Chicago was really bright flashes of lightning accompanied by thunder which was delayed by quite a few seconds. Sorry you weren't here to experience it, or that we weren't on the roof of Hinds Geophysical Sciences at the time. But I bet it was darned cold on the roof of Hinds then. . .
Posted by Dr. Donna Prestel | February 4, 2011
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Posted by Mya | February 4, 2011